katherine, if you're selling guns in the woods of verge, believe me, there becomes a pipeline to the cities that leads to this kind of carnage and i think we as a country have to have an assault weapons ban and stop selling these large -- >> bill: i got to go. let me ask you one question. >> be honest about the fact that's what you want to do. in australia, they took guns away from people -- >> bill: hold it! hold it! >> you overreact. >> bill: hold it. i think there should be a uniform thing of all 50 states about who you sell to and information about guns. but juan, the thing about the semiautomatic ba 300 million guns here. as mr. gottlieb pointed out, they're going to buy them and they're around and the bad guys are going to have them and the good guys aren't. >> you just can't curse the night. you got to do something, bill. >> not if it doesn't work and if you're impeding other people. >> bill: right. you don't make it worse. very interesting debate, you guys. directly ahead, we'll take to you connecticut where bill hemmer is report ago community in agony. he's been there all weekend.